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Seeing was mentioned in chat, so figured I'd throw this in the mix.
The only obstacle to a complete open view or ‘seeing’ is a habitual fixation of the assemblage point. It appears to be a stubborn stumbling block for so many.
However, when the basis of this fixation reveals its insubstantial nature, even the most stubborn AP’s are rendered passive. The energy of belief ceases to support the erroneous evidence.
Pure ‘seeing’ is completely free and spontaneously happening right now. The intellect follows as close as it can but it is a borrower only.
It takes on fixated forms in AP’s and that includes the belief that ‘it’ is seeing, that ‘it’ is knowing. This is a complete fabrication yet this fact will never be accepted by the AP intellect willingly. It wants proof yet it ignores the clear and obvious.
Fixations in AP’s do not belong to your authenticity - natural being. The psychological or AP ‘you’ will never embrace it while a belief of separation continues. When ‘you’ cease to project an ‘image’ of a false self, it will appear that your true essence embraces and enfolds everything into this pure presence that you ARE.
‘You’ are the direct cognition only.
In some cases, if there is a strong habitual pattern of inflexible perception, this hold of the AP may require many strikes from many angles with forceful shocks to shift its eccentric stubborn stance. These habits are somewhat like crystallizations or mini-AP states. (Remember that they have no real substance.)
As AP’s loosen up, impressions are not translated in the habitual way and one gets a taste of this ever-fresh nature of simple presence. So then the old identified AP called the self is dissolved, or is at least in abeyance with Truth.
Fresh AP’s bring a new impulse for openness and to remain open. ‘Seeing’ from this relaxed openness, one will notice the habitual conditions from spaciousness without fixating on them.
Habitual AP’s may appear to try and reassert themselves yet they have no power as long as you remain alert. Eventually they will appear to give themselves up and cease to invade your natural state of Being.
This is the ‘age old’ realm of self-knowledge and just this singular and immediate moment of self knowledge, -self-knowing- is real. It is THIS moment of Awareness.
Essential Zen
To begin to understand you must cut off knowing and seeing, forget gain and loss, and become purified, naked, and perfectly at ease; each and every one must investigate on his own.
Immediate Knowing
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Immediate Knowing
by Kristopher on Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:43 pm
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Re: Fixed AP's
by Kristopher on Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:18 pm
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Ah yes, a picture of our fearless leader. Reminds me of, those who slept through World History 101......here is a condensed version.
Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.
The two most important events in all of history were:
1. The invention of beer, and
2. The invention of the wheel
The wheel was invented to get man to the beer, and the beer to the man.
These facts formed the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:
1. Liberals
2. Conservatives
Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum cans were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed.
Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.
Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ's and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.
Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as girlie-men.
Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy and group hugs, the evolution of the Hollywood actor and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide all the meat and beer that conservatives provided.
Over the years, Conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant.
Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.
Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.
Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of liberal women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists' are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat.
Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, athletes, Marines, and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.
Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America. They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing.
Here ends today's lesson in world history.......
It should be noted that a liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above before forwarding it.
A conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other true believers, and to more liberals...just to yank their chain.
Ah yes, a picture of our fearless leader. Reminds me of, those who slept through World History 101......here is a condensed version.
Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.
The two most important events in all of history were:
1. The invention of beer, and
2. The invention of the wheel
The wheel was invented to get man to the beer, and the beer to the man.
These facts formed the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:
1. Liberals
2. Conservatives
Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum cans were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed.
Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.
Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ's and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.
Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as girlie-men.
Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy and group hugs, the evolution of the Hollywood actor and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide all the meat and beer that conservatives provided.
Over the years, Conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant.
Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.
Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.
Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of liberal women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists' are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat.
Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, athletes, Marines, and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.
Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America. They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing.
Here ends today's lesson in world history.......
It should be noted that a liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above before forwarding it.
A conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other true believers, and to more liberals...just to yank their chain.
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Re: Fixed AP's
by Kristopher on Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:38 pm
The search for truth in oneself is unnecessary! Useless!
It is the mindset of ‘looking’ which takes the mind on a never ending ‘journey’ to nowhere.
The authentic being is not removed from the pure function of the senses, in which there are more than five.
The senses do not ‘lie’ in the immediacy of their touch, just as IOB's don't.
What the mind translates from them may well be a gross distortion though...
The seeker is apparently caught in a realm of these mind translations and projections. ‘It’ thinks that it is seeing. It is not seeing at all. One could say that it is ’looking’ but it isn’t even doing that.
The seeker is nothing more than a reflection, an apparition which ‘feeds’ off the livingness. You do not need to search for your own authenticity. Such seeking is just more reflections and delusion.
How many ‘steps’ do you need to take to arrive at your authenticity? How many courses in miracles do you need? Surely None!
Drop those habitual seeker mind postures, those grasping notions, and let the mind rest from its incessant ‘reactive’ conceptualizing. There is nothing to be afraid of in your true nature. (It is what you are not that is so imaginary, fearsome AND fearful in its dualistic realm of mind stuff).
Let the mind rest on nothing. Let it be spacious. A living openness.
‘See’. Natural seeing is spontaneously here.
A series of re-actions may come up with an unease of feeling in the chest. Just accept, allow, and let it be just as it is.
Reaction attracts reaction - and ‘before you know it’, there is a ‘community’ of angels and devils fighting for center stage (in thought).
Rest in the empty space of direct cognition, in which all and everything is appearing. Be no-thing at all.
Know immediately that the pure function of ‘seeing’ is free of what is seen. (Understand the difference between 'free' and 'seperate'.)
It is not above or below it. In a certain way, it is beyond it all.
The authentic pure knowing is the only accessor to pure seeing.
No seeker can go there. Why?
Because the seeker is just composed of thoughts and thoughts can’t “SEE”.
There is no ‘not seeing’, so see or recognize that this seeing is already happening. Totally pure and direct. ‘It’ is what you ARE. ‘You’ are nothing else!
In this seeing, there is direct knowledge - which is potently informative.
By resting in this manner, the grasping, identified habitual consciousness is starved of its habitual ‘feed,’ like a cut vine, it will shrivel up and drop away.
There is no ‘value’ in it for the egoistic seeker. It is far too effective in removing the grounds of erroneous belief.
It is really not an issue, except for an elusive self-image called ‘me’.
How can a mirage have an issue?
It is the mindset of ‘looking’ which takes the mind on a never ending ‘journey’ to nowhere.
The authentic being is not removed from the pure function of the senses, in which there are more than five.
The senses do not ‘lie’ in the immediacy of their touch, just as IOB's don't.
What the mind translates from them may well be a gross distortion though...
The seeker is apparently caught in a realm of these mind translations and projections. ‘It’ thinks that it is seeing. It is not seeing at all. One could say that it is ’looking’ but it isn’t even doing that.
The seeker is nothing more than a reflection, an apparition which ‘feeds’ off the livingness. You do not need to search for your own authenticity. Such seeking is just more reflections and delusion.
How many ‘steps’ do you need to take to arrive at your authenticity? How many courses in miracles do you need? Surely None!
Drop those habitual seeker mind postures, those grasping notions, and let the mind rest from its incessant ‘reactive’ conceptualizing. There is nothing to be afraid of in your true nature. (It is what you are not that is so imaginary, fearsome AND fearful in its dualistic realm of mind stuff).
Let the mind rest on nothing. Let it be spacious. A living openness.
‘See’. Natural seeing is spontaneously here.
A series of re-actions may come up with an unease of feeling in the chest. Just accept, allow, and let it be just as it is.
Reaction attracts reaction - and ‘before you know it’, there is a ‘community’ of angels and devils fighting for center stage (in thought).
Rest in the empty space of direct cognition, in which all and everything is appearing. Be no-thing at all.
Know immediately that the pure function of ‘seeing’ is free of what is seen. (Understand the difference between 'free' and 'seperate'.)
It is not above or below it. In a certain way, it is beyond it all.
The authentic pure knowing is the only accessor to pure seeing.
No seeker can go there. Why?
Because the seeker is just composed of thoughts and thoughts can’t “SEE”.
There is no ‘not seeing’, so see or recognize that this seeing is already happening. Totally pure and direct. ‘It’ is what you ARE. ‘You’ are nothing else!
In this seeing, there is direct knowledge - which is potently informative.
By resting in this manner, the grasping, identified habitual consciousness is starved of its habitual ‘feed,’ like a cut vine, it will shrivel up and drop away.
There is no ‘value’ in it for the egoistic seeker. It is far too effective in removing the grounds of erroneous belief.
It is really not an issue, except for an elusive self-image called ‘me’.
How can a mirage have an issue?
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Re: Fixed AP's
by redspiderlily on Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:06 pm
Aaaah, but sometimes a person can find the truth when they weren't even looking.
Just living is not enough, one must have sunshine, freedom and a little flower~
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Re: Fixed AP's
by Kristopher on Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:45 pm
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Within this vast spacious essence of totality of self, this essence that you are, there is a natural peaceful residing in abiding non duality.
One could suggest that it waits tirelessly for ‘you’ to drop the charade of guilt and forgetfulness and following paths and the pride of false remembering, so that ‘you’ may ‘return’ to its embrace.
However this essence of totality of self is complete just as it is.
Stories of a ‘return’ are just ‘stories’ since this ‘you’, this bias that needs to return, is nothing other than the bias of an erroneous belief.
Totality of Self IS.
This light of knowing the totality of self, which is your own light, shines into the darkest recesses of the mind and frees it.
Within this vast spacious essence of totality of self, this essence that you are, there is a natural peaceful residing in abiding non duality.
One could suggest that it waits tirelessly for ‘you’ to drop the charade of guilt and forgetfulness and following paths and the pride of false remembering, so that ‘you’ may ‘return’ to its embrace.
However this essence of totality of self is complete just as it is.
Stories of a ‘return’ are just ‘stories’ since this ‘you’, this bias that needs to return, is nothing other than the bias of an erroneous belief.
Totality of Self IS.
This light of knowing the totality of self, which is your own light, shines into the darkest recesses of the mind and frees it.
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Re: Immediate Knowing
by Kristopher on Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:07 pm
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Gonzo and I have sat out back of my house and watched the bats fly.
Watch a bat in flight. All there is, is this immediacy. You cannot predict its pathway accurately. The bat moves through space and nothing attaches to this spontaneous movement. No dots mark the sky with its flight path.
The past does not appear in its immediate flight. The future remains unknown. All you ever see is this immediacy. It is life. This is the direct and immediate situation at all times whether you believe that you see it or not.
If ‘you’ are caught up in mind stuff, then the dualistic mind is occupied with fixations and the spontaneous non-dual nature of all things is missed.
See directly for yourself whether what I am saying is true or not. In not making this investigation, then all these words or indicators remain useless and book like. Just words.
So, let’s look at this again in a slightly different way: What possible benefit is there in continuing with these limited, fluctuating and time bound views of being separate and alone?
The imaginary path of a seeker is scattered with obstacles, suffering and all manner of afflicted emotions. And so the bliss of completion is always conceptually placed ‘just over the hill’.
Open your awareness and ‘see’. See from an un-contrived natural state of presence, which is here behind or beyond the transient states of mind and personal history.
This immediate knowing is IT - IT is ‘seeing’! What this means is that this activity of direct knowing, happening with you right now, is the very same foundation, the very same essence that is found everywhere in the vast array - this dynamic display of presence awareness. No separation exists.
Such knowing reveals itself in the spacious, non-fixating awareness. Because that is what it is. In this there is an absence of anything like a ‘someone seeking something’. The story ceases - if only for a moment.
The essence of this knowing is not accumulating into any form of knowledge. Knowing is ever prior to anything known. The ‘known’ comes and goes while knowing remains.
This fact will always appear paradoxical for the dualistic mind of a seeker - even though such a mind has no substance at all in itself.
If you look closely at what is happening with regard to thinking, you will see that thoughts appear quite spontaneously. The thinker is an addition and really is only another thought.
Gonzo and I have sat out back of my house and watched the bats fly.
Watch a bat in flight. All there is, is this immediacy. You cannot predict its pathway accurately. The bat moves through space and nothing attaches to this spontaneous movement. No dots mark the sky with its flight path.
The past does not appear in its immediate flight. The future remains unknown. All you ever see is this immediacy. It is life. This is the direct and immediate situation at all times whether you believe that you see it or not.
If ‘you’ are caught up in mind stuff, then the dualistic mind is occupied with fixations and the spontaneous non-dual nature of all things is missed.
See directly for yourself whether what I am saying is true or not. In not making this investigation, then all these words or indicators remain useless and book like. Just words.
So, let’s look at this again in a slightly different way: What possible benefit is there in continuing with these limited, fluctuating and time bound views of being separate and alone?
The imaginary path of a seeker is scattered with obstacles, suffering and all manner of afflicted emotions. And so the bliss of completion is always conceptually placed ‘just over the hill’.
Open your awareness and ‘see’. See from an un-contrived natural state of presence, which is here behind or beyond the transient states of mind and personal history.
This immediate knowing is IT - IT is ‘seeing’! What this means is that this activity of direct knowing, happening with you right now, is the very same foundation, the very same essence that is found everywhere in the vast array - this dynamic display of presence awareness. No separation exists.
Such knowing reveals itself in the spacious, non-fixating awareness. Because that is what it is. In this there is an absence of anything like a ‘someone seeking something’. The story ceases - if only for a moment.
The essence of this knowing is not accumulating into any form of knowledge. Knowing is ever prior to anything known. The ‘known’ comes and goes while knowing remains.
This fact will always appear paradoxical for the dualistic mind of a seeker - even though such a mind has no substance at all in itself.
If you look closely at what is happening with regard to thinking, you will see that thoughts appear quite spontaneously. The thinker is an addition and really is only another thought.
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Re: Immediate Knowing
by Kristopher on Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:33 pm
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It is already clear, however you must get it clear in your own mind.
THERE is NO method to SEE.
Seeing IS.
It is the recognition of this present Seeing, which clears the obscuring fixations in the mind. (Remember Sacateca dancing and Seeing CC.)
Seeing itself cannot be altered in anyway so all methods and attempts to do so are erroneous even when they appear to bring some result. The one who believes in some result that has happened or will happen is just a concept also.
This will never make sense for the practitioner since it eliminates the foundation of belief.
Follow the resonation of authenticity in your heart.
You may have been following some dead path and have been willing to pay so much for false information that leads nowhere. In the appearance, all these characters are just phantoms - fictional characters and this includes the seeker’s self-image. All re-presentations of presence are not presence - just limited re-presentations of it.
This reminds me of [part] of a story by Don Genero.
“I almost felt sad. The boy was also a phantom. The tone of his voice and his eagerness had betrayed him. The phantoms were out there to get me but I wasn't afraid.”
“Suddenly I realized that was nothing that the phantoms could do to me. I followed the boy down the trail. Other phantoms lurched out swiftly and tried to make me trip over the precipices, but my will was stronger than they were. They must have sensed that,
because they stopped pestering me. After a while they simply stood by my path; from time to time some of them would leap towards me but I stopped them with my will. And then they quit bothering me altogether.”
“What happened after that, don Genaro?” I asked.
“I kept on walking,” he said factually.
“What was the final outcome of that experience, don Genaro?” I asked.
“Final outcome?”
“I mean, when and how did you finally reach Ixtlan?”
Both of them broke into laughter at once.
“So that’s the final outcome for you,” don Juan remarked. “Let's put it this way then. There was no final outcome to Genaro’s journey. There will never be any final outcome. Genaro is still on his way to Ixtlan!”
Don Genaro glanced at me with piercing eyes and then turned his head to look into the distance, towards the south.
“I will never reach Ixtlan,” he said.
His voice was firm but soft, almost a murmur.
“Yet in my feelings... in my feelings sometimes I think I'm just one step from reaching it. Yet I never will. In my journey I don't even find the familiar landmarks I used to know. Nothing is any longer the same.”
“In my journey to Ixtlan I find only phantom travelers,” he said softly.
I looked at don Juan. I had not understood what don Genaro had meant.
“Everyone Genaro finds on his way to Ixtlan is only an ephemeral being,” don Juan explained.
“Take you, for instance. You are a phantom. Your feelings and your eagerness are those of people. That's why he says that he encounters only phantom travelers on his journey to Ixtlan.”
I suddenly realized that don Genaro's journey was a metaphor.
“Your journey to Ixtlan is not real then,” I said.
“It is real!” don Genaro interjected. “The travelers are not real.”
He pointed to don Juan with a nod of his head and said emphatically, “This is the only one who is real. The world is real only when I am with this one.”
[Understand these very brief quotes - it's all right there.]
The real teacher is no character. He speaks from beyond the facade of ‘personalities’.
A few ‘lucky ones’ find him even though he may appear as ordinary as your next-door neighbor. If you pay attention you will notice a subtle resonation in being in yourself as you respond to a contact with him (or her).
Quote from Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj: “This person (that you believe you are) should be carefully examined and its falseness seen; then its power over you will end”.
It is already clear, however you must get it clear in your own mind.
THERE is NO method to SEE.
Seeing IS.
It is the recognition of this present Seeing, which clears the obscuring fixations in the mind. (Remember Sacateca dancing and Seeing CC.)
Seeing itself cannot be altered in anyway so all methods and attempts to do so are erroneous even when they appear to bring some result. The one who believes in some result that has happened or will happen is just a concept also.
This will never make sense for the practitioner since it eliminates the foundation of belief.
Follow the resonation of authenticity in your heart.
You may have been following some dead path and have been willing to pay so much for false information that leads nowhere. In the appearance, all these characters are just phantoms - fictional characters and this includes the seeker’s self-image. All re-presentations of presence are not presence - just limited re-presentations of it.
This reminds me of [part] of a story by Don Genero.
“I almost felt sad. The boy was also a phantom. The tone of his voice and his eagerness had betrayed him. The phantoms were out there to get me but I wasn't afraid.”
“Suddenly I realized that was nothing that the phantoms could do to me. I followed the boy down the trail. Other phantoms lurched out swiftly and tried to make me trip over the precipices, but my will was stronger than they were. They must have sensed that,
because they stopped pestering me. After a while they simply stood by my path; from time to time some of them would leap towards me but I stopped them with my will. And then they quit bothering me altogether.”
“What happened after that, don Genaro?” I asked.
“I kept on walking,” he said factually.
“What was the final outcome of that experience, don Genaro?” I asked.
“Final outcome?”
“I mean, when and how did you finally reach Ixtlan?”
Both of them broke into laughter at once.
“So that’s the final outcome for you,” don Juan remarked. “Let's put it this way then. There was no final outcome to Genaro’s journey. There will never be any final outcome. Genaro is still on his way to Ixtlan!”
Don Genaro glanced at me with piercing eyes and then turned his head to look into the distance, towards the south.
“I will never reach Ixtlan,” he said.
His voice was firm but soft, almost a murmur.
“Yet in my feelings... in my feelings sometimes I think I'm just one step from reaching it. Yet I never will. In my journey I don't even find the familiar landmarks I used to know. Nothing is any longer the same.”
“In my journey to Ixtlan I find only phantom travelers,” he said softly.
I looked at don Juan. I had not understood what don Genaro had meant.
“Everyone Genaro finds on his way to Ixtlan is only an ephemeral being,” don Juan explained.
“Take you, for instance. You are a phantom. Your feelings and your eagerness are those of people. That's why he says that he encounters only phantom travelers on his journey to Ixtlan.”
I suddenly realized that don Genaro's journey was a metaphor.
“Your journey to Ixtlan is not real then,” I said.
“It is real!” don Genaro interjected. “The travelers are not real.”
He pointed to don Juan with a nod of his head and said emphatically, “This is the only one who is real. The world is real only when I am with this one.”
[Understand these very brief quotes - it's all right there.]
The real teacher is no character. He speaks from beyond the facade of ‘personalities’.
A few ‘lucky ones’ find him even though he may appear as ordinary as your next-door neighbor. If you pay attention you will notice a subtle resonation in being in yourself as you respond to a contact with him (or her).
Quote from Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj: “This person (that you believe you are) should be carefully examined and its falseness seen; then its power over you will end”.
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Re: Immediate Knowing
by Kristopher on Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:52 am
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If you allow your attention (the ‘lens’ of awareness) to spread out and rest on nothing but its own presence, you will discover that this presence is all that there is.
All ‘other-ness’ is simply conceptual. Just stories.
If you allow your attention (the ‘lens’ of awareness) to spread out and rest on nothing but its own presence, you will discover that this presence is all that there is.
All ‘other-ness’ is simply conceptual. Just stories.
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Re: Immediate Knowing
by Kristopher on Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:31 am
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A few comments for the new "Jed-Duhs" now locked away securely in that pseudo-non-duality prison cell. (Tunneling from the Toltec/Nagualism/Zen/Shamanism cell to the Jed-Duh cell isn't residing in abiding non dual awareness.)
The true nature of mind is pure empty awareness-wakefulness.
The dualistic state of mind is restlessness. It will never be brought to a restful silence by any activity that arises from a fixated point within its own realm.
This fact is almost always ignored or not even suspected by otherwise serious spiritual seekers. It comes down to clear information. Such clear information is not so available through traditional systems. It is expressed by a small number of clear teachers who almost always insist that they are not a teacher at all. They point you straight back to your own presence of being - seeing - knowing.
Few recognize the significance of this ‘pointing’.
Such is the apparent depth of identified states of mind.
The insubstantial ‘fixated hold’ on consciousness is due to dualistic states of mind. Along with this, there is a belief in ‘time’ as being something quite real. “I’ll get it later” - “I’ll see it eventually!”
This is accompanied by attachments to objects, which are believed to be ‘in time’. Are you convinced of the reality of this ‘time realm’? Do you believe that you depend on it? The adherence to this belief is widespread and of the common mind.
It is rarely investigated.
Your beliefs, without exception, are all in ‘acquired mind’ and this is based on a ‘dead past’.
It can also be called the ‘conditioned mind’. The conditioning of mind belongs in time.
Belief in a ‘substantial past’ can limit the presence of mind with all kinds of projections, into some ‘future time’, which is based on memory and imagination - which are all images from the past.
Everything without exception is fictitious in this mind realm of self-hypnosis.
This immediate living-ness, this authentic being, is not time bound.
You must re-discover this yourself. It actually discovers itself via a resonance in its own home ground - authentic being.
The practical knowledge of daily life is not in question here.
This message is addressed directly to authentic being. It must penetrate through the realm of belief, which appears to cause so much psychological suffering and resonate in immediate knowing.
The otherwise natural clarity of mind is clouded by the restless activity of opinions and beliefs and these arise as conditioned responses to stimuli in your world. All this appears to assist in a survival of the onslaughts of life. If you start to take notice, you will see that all the dramas of life actually depend on ‘time’. “So and so did such and such”. Past! Such and such happened and so on.
It is no longer present evidence apart from the constant reference to it in the mind.
Give it no attention and see what happens to the drama. This inner squabbling settles down and the view changes. The actual present emerges in view and the quality of mind changes.
Actually, the absence of erroneous beliefs leaves the clear and obvious as it is. In the appearance of a restless mind you will find no peace. Squeezing this restless mind into a stern practice of meditation is quite useless, yet so many try so avidly to do this.
What is achieved? - Truly?
Meditation intensives are popular and enlightenment seminars are springing up everywhere.
Thousands upon thousands appear to go by these erroneous paths.
They are not necessarily bad things in themselves but the so-called ‘results’ are transient and time bound. Any state which is ‘reached’ will dissipate naturally. Attachment to any pattern of energy will itself, inevitably, dissolve along with whatever it is attached to.
Anyone teaching these methods, who proclaims to be enlightened, is ‘pulling your leg’.
No exceptions! What’s more, they know it too.
There is no such thing as an enlightened person.
Now, I realize that to mention these things is quite unpopular. Especially to those who have convinced themselves that they are well on the way to enlightenment.
In fact, to mention such blunt facts is an insult to the core of belief.
The fact is that a restless mind cannot be molded into a peaceful state, no matter what practice or method you use. This is an unfavorable statement for many aspirants. Even so, it must be pointed out.
The main point to recognize is that the fixated point of reference called ‘me’ is the one trying to attain liberation. It cannot do this. It is no different than any other fixation. It is a ‘someone’ (a bunch of ideas), which appears as an attempt to escape its own structure of reference - more ideas.
Liberation is only found in the true nature of mind, which is a clear open and natural state of wakefulness.
You will never squeeze a restless mind into a peaceful space, so don’t try! The one trying is the obstacle!
This natural state is unachievable for any ‘individual’ due to the fact that this individual is a series of reference points that only appear and disappear in the natural open un-mediated awareness.
Simple Wakefulness. And beyond all that has been said about this, wakefulness is already ever-present. It IS. It is your own true nature. You have never been without it. You cannot alter this timeless fact.
Without it there is nothing but ignorance, and for the ignorant, I cry a river.
A few comments for the new "Jed-Duhs" now locked away securely in that pseudo-non-duality prison cell. (Tunneling from the Toltec/Nagualism/Zen/Shamanism cell to the Jed-Duh cell isn't residing in abiding non dual awareness.)
The true nature of mind is pure empty awareness-wakefulness.
The dualistic state of mind is restlessness. It will never be brought to a restful silence by any activity that arises from a fixated point within its own realm.
This fact is almost always ignored or not even suspected by otherwise serious spiritual seekers. It comes down to clear information. Such clear information is not so available through traditional systems. It is expressed by a small number of clear teachers who almost always insist that they are not a teacher at all. They point you straight back to your own presence of being - seeing - knowing.
Few recognize the significance of this ‘pointing’.
Such is the apparent depth of identified states of mind.
The insubstantial ‘fixated hold’ on consciousness is due to dualistic states of mind. Along with this, there is a belief in ‘time’ as being something quite real. “I’ll get it later” - “I’ll see it eventually!”
This is accompanied by attachments to objects, which are believed to be ‘in time’. Are you convinced of the reality of this ‘time realm’? Do you believe that you depend on it? The adherence to this belief is widespread and of the common mind.
It is rarely investigated.
Your beliefs, without exception, are all in ‘acquired mind’ and this is based on a ‘dead past’.
It can also be called the ‘conditioned mind’. The conditioning of mind belongs in time.
Belief in a ‘substantial past’ can limit the presence of mind with all kinds of projections, into some ‘future time’, which is based on memory and imagination - which are all images from the past.
Everything without exception is fictitious in this mind realm of self-hypnosis.
This immediate living-ness, this authentic being, is not time bound.
You must re-discover this yourself. It actually discovers itself via a resonance in its own home ground - authentic being.
The practical knowledge of daily life is not in question here.
This message is addressed directly to authentic being. It must penetrate through the realm of belief, which appears to cause so much psychological suffering and resonate in immediate knowing.
The otherwise natural clarity of mind is clouded by the restless activity of opinions and beliefs and these arise as conditioned responses to stimuli in your world. All this appears to assist in a survival of the onslaughts of life. If you start to take notice, you will see that all the dramas of life actually depend on ‘time’. “So and so did such and such”. Past! Such and such happened and so on.
It is no longer present evidence apart from the constant reference to it in the mind.
Give it no attention and see what happens to the drama. This inner squabbling settles down and the view changes. The actual present emerges in view and the quality of mind changes.
Actually, the absence of erroneous beliefs leaves the clear and obvious as it is. In the appearance of a restless mind you will find no peace. Squeezing this restless mind into a stern practice of meditation is quite useless, yet so many try so avidly to do this.
What is achieved? - Truly?
Meditation intensives are popular and enlightenment seminars are springing up everywhere.
Thousands upon thousands appear to go by these erroneous paths.
They are not necessarily bad things in themselves but the so-called ‘results’ are transient and time bound. Any state which is ‘reached’ will dissipate naturally. Attachment to any pattern of energy will itself, inevitably, dissolve along with whatever it is attached to.
Anyone teaching these methods, who proclaims to be enlightened, is ‘pulling your leg’.
No exceptions! What’s more, they know it too.
There is no such thing as an enlightened person.
Now, I realize that to mention these things is quite unpopular. Especially to those who have convinced themselves that they are well on the way to enlightenment.
In fact, to mention such blunt facts is an insult to the core of belief.
The fact is that a restless mind cannot be molded into a peaceful state, no matter what practice or method you use. This is an unfavorable statement for many aspirants. Even so, it must be pointed out.
The main point to recognize is that the fixated point of reference called ‘me’ is the one trying to attain liberation. It cannot do this. It is no different than any other fixation. It is a ‘someone’ (a bunch of ideas), which appears as an attempt to escape its own structure of reference - more ideas.
Liberation is only found in the true nature of mind, which is a clear open and natural state of wakefulness.
You will never squeeze a restless mind into a peaceful space, so don’t try! The one trying is the obstacle!
This natural state is unachievable for any ‘individual’ due to the fact that this individual is a series of reference points that only appear and disappear in the natural open un-mediated awareness.
Simple Wakefulness. And beyond all that has been said about this, wakefulness is already ever-present. It IS. It is your own true nature. You have never been without it. You cannot alter this timeless fact.
Without it there is nothing but ignorance, and for the ignorant, I cry a river.
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