Essential Zen

Feel a little weird about Shamanic Warrior????...heres why...

"Guess what I figured out? HA! You should be a better stalker...MS DD NLW all the same person...stop fucking with people, for some this is the last stop fucker!!! this is not some D and D game! This is peoples lives." Posted at SW on 5/27/10...22:06 EDT

Seen our Tulio stalker move have worked and we (NLW;DaDa and MS) appear as One and the same. Good spotted Snowblind

Have you played D&D snow?
I guess I could make a Druid class roll and cultural form it in a native direction, heh. Yeah thanks for the idea, I will use that role in one of the campaings that I play with two of my boys.
But no Im not stalking in a way of pretending to be something that Im not or telling farietales

The Three Tulio's was to make a point and to forward Don Juans journey...you do it (if in fact that is the case, which I doubt) just because you can. A huge waste of energy for no reason. I did not learn anything except how to not trust, I will tell you I already knew how to do that quite well.
Pontification for no reason...why dont you put YOU out there, for others to see, to debate, to critique...stop hiding behind the masters who have gone before and take responsibility for the master you are. there is power in vulnerability.

You think NLW has socks? I dont think so. For one, he seems pretty level headed when Ive spoke with him, DD is gone, and MS doesnt even write at all like NLW. I dont blame you for not trusting online people so easily, we should tread carefully when getting to know people. But I wouldnt go assuming everyone uses a sock either. Maybe you should try to talk to him more and get to know him or something.

nah I have changed my mind about NLW, however I remain convinced about the others.

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Who gives a rats ass who anyone is?

The question is: What have they taught you about yourself??

Zamurito wrote:~

Who gives a rats ass who anyone is?

The question is: What have they taught you about yourself??

Not much really, except that I take honesty very seriously, and I have a great deal of no patience with people who pontificate, and live in the ether rather than here on earth just taking up oxygen...thats all.

Oxy vampires? heh...and I thought energy vampires were the most revoltin'....

I agree about the honest gig. What is the point of duplicity? On forums supposedly dedicated to spiritual evolution those who engage in sock-puppetry merely expose themselves as folk having little confidence in their own natural abilities and power.

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Sorry sorry, love me love me......seems you two are just complaining. Someone snuck a fast one in on you, some time and place in your life and you're pissed.

My perception, of course.

Honesty?

Who's honesty? Yours? Mine? Based on our personal history, morals, values and beliefs? Does the Universe/Spirit have a 'all-knowing' guide for who/what's honest and who/what's not? If so, please detail it out for me.

While you're chewing your cud of honestly, I'll roll with you...

Let's say the sock puppets are dishonest.

Once again, what has that shown you about yourself? What have you learned?

Leave 'all these others' alone. What happened to that notion of being unconcerned? It's a cool word when it's convenient, and out the window when it's needed? Or, are we going to save the world from all the dishonest ones??

Are we going to just associate with honest people? Again, by who's definition are we using?

How about we just do the best we can and go from there? If you get screwed, you get screwed. Oh well.

Oh, and btw, isn't there a ton of opportunities with dishonest people and getting screwed? What happened to that concept? Similiar to don Genero's last comments to CC in The Eagle's Gift, about the jilted bride. Can't recall it very well, but it seems quite on topic.

Another point to ponder....is it really up to us what happens or who we encounter? What about the Spirit?

Where's the line drawn between 'dishonesty' and 'not telling all of the story?' Deliberately misleading someone?

So what??

Again, are there not lessons to be learned from someone who was deliberately dishonest with you?

Just curious...

Kris

P.S. - Oh and btw, how much are those glass houses you two live in? (Because I'm sure you're always honest (whatever your definition is) with everyone). This convo reminds me of religion. Argh......

Zamurito wrote:~

Sorry sorry, love me love me......seems you two are just complaining. Someone snuck a fast one in on you, some time and place in your life and you're pissed.

I was truly pissed at first. Now I am not unconcerned, but a little disgusted. So What? Disgusted because I expected more from them...So What? I find it icky and repulsive Expectations kill...I indulged in expectation...so sue me I expect more from people on this path.My perception, of course.

Honesty?

Who's honesty? Yours? Mine? Based on our personal history, morals, values and beliefs? Does the Universe/Spirit have a 'all-knowing' guide for who/what's honest and who/what's not? If so, please detail it out for me.

My honesty. I have tried the sock puppet deal, it made me feel like a liar, and drained my energy, I choose not to deal with dishonesty as I find it energetically draining.
My experience, my judgement, my choice.
While you're chewing your cud of honestly, I'll roll with you...

Let's say the sock puppets are dishonest.

Once again, what has that shown you about yourself? What have you learned? I have learned I choose not to deal with dishonesty. If I found that you or Gonzo or anyone else were dishonest just because you could be...I would not deal with you either. I have done it with others. I get to keep my own values.
Leave 'all these others' alone. What happened to that notion of being unconcerned? Sorry, I never signed up to be a DJM or Nagual clone… It's a cool word when it's convenient, and out the window when it's needed? Its much harder to be honest when no one knows or can find out the truth…truth=trust without trust we learn nothing, except how to mistrust Or, are we going to save the world from all the dishonest ones?? The world has its own problems that I cannot solve nor do I have the intent to change it)

Arewe going to just associate with honest people? Again, by who's definition are we using?
As much as humanly possible...and again, MY definition, you are welcome to use whatever definition you choose to use. I will use mine. yes imo honesty=impeccability.

How about we just do the best we can and go from there? If you get screwed, you get screwed. Oh well. True, but if we can avoid it why not?

Oh, and btw, isn't there a ton of opportunities with dishonest people and getting screwed? What happened to that concept? Similiar to don Genero's last comments to CC in The Eagle's Gift, about the jilted bride. Can't recall it very well, but it seems quite on topic. Screw CC and DJM and all the self proclaimed knowers of truth, my truth is the only one I am interested in if I want a bible I will go back to church. Freedom doesnt live in dogma imo.

Another point to ponder....is it really up to us what happens or who we encounter? What about the Spirit? What does that have to do with anything? We meet people and we move on...

Where's the line drawn between 'dishonesty' and 'not telling all of the story?' Deliberately misleading someone?
Deliberately misleading is dishonest...so what? I choose not to play..again it is a waste of my energy

So what??

Again, are there not lessons to be learned from someone who was deliberately dishonest with you? there are many there are also many lessons to be learned by disconnecting from them. I have lived dishonestly for too long…Im done, and I will not keep my mouth shut anymore when people are being dishonest. Its not healthy for anyone to hide in their weakness, nor is it impeccable to allow someone to hide in their weakness, especially when they profess they want something else.

Just curious...

Kris

P.S. - Oh and btw, how much are those glass houses you two live in? (Because I'm sure you're always honest (whatever your definition is) with everyone. Kris, at any given moment I am as honest as I can humanly be at any given time. Even when its hard. This convo reminds me of religion. Argh...... so what?

Donna

@Zam

We all know the history of these forums. Perhaps the best occurrence of puppetry was performed by Forest Wolf. As I've opined, several times, I came to admire her effort seeing within it echoes of Julian's "Four Tulios" stunt, because her gig was aimed at exposing self-importance and awareness.

On the other hand, there have been occasions of others who's primary purpose was self-aggrandizement. That is, an alternate persona was created that sang the praises of the original in an effort to exalt.

We all have the choice whether to continue engaging with those who play those games, or whether to discontinue engagement. There is no anger involved...there is a certain amount of disappointment perhaps more so if the one playing the games was assumed to be a closer associate than they turned out to be.

In the instance of puppetry amongst those who are more casual acquaintances, all their games merely cause a certain amount of retreat. In those instances it would appear their purpose is more to encourage gossip which may be then relayed to the forum admin, and that is easily avoided.

As for me, I find the exercise worth while since it often requires an attempt to put into words those things believed in. That is, regardless of the potential games, the chat in question has yielded some quite stimulating discussions.