On being spiritual, powerful, and a Nagual

[Zamurito]

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Ah yes, the sock puppets.

I'm about to be banned by another sock puppet who is literally 'dying' for attention.

Oh well....

Kris

[Affinity]

Growing up, and to this day, I've been a big fan of Sting and his music. Whether it was when he was with The Police or his solo material, I have always seemed to gravitate towards his music. One song that meant a lot to me during my high school years was "Englishman In New York". Particularly the song's lyrics... "Be yourself no matter what they say". At a time in life when so many people were looking for a place to fit in, I was content to simply be myself no matter what. Sometimes people get caught up in looking to others for self definition. It takes a unique honesty and tremendous fortitude, but once you've come home, the company is sweet.

Hamlet - "To Thine Own Self Be True"

[Mornings Sun]

I have suspected the teachings of don Juan are clever cons, one ot the cleverest being the notion of becoming an all-powerful Nagual. The lesson to be learned is not to become a Nagual, but to realize its a superb teaching in losing self-importance, by going beyond the label and thereby the limitation of being considered to be a Nagual.

From the GReat scripture of Perfect Insight:
When bodhisattva-mahasattvas practice perfect insight, they do not see bodhisattva-mahasattvas, or perfect insight, or even these two names, either in the realm of the created or in the realm of the uncreated. Why? When bodhisattva-mahasattvas practice perfect insight they do not conceive notions of anything and have no alienated thinking. When bodhisattva-mahasattvas practice perfect insight they remain free from concepts.

[Gonzo]

The more talking and thinking, the further from the truth.

[Zamurito]

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My, my, my little petit…such a mouthful spat out on Saturdays post.

It’s beginning to look at lot like rejection. Pay attention to me so I can reject you, or reject for attention? Both??

Seems to be sexual issues going on here as well. Is it due to the fact that you don't have (or ever had) a strong male role model?

“Penis envy” just doesn’t seem to cover it.

More bla, bla, bla, same ole’ thing. Do I dare say O needs an editor, yet again??

Let’s put this in perspective….

In Aikido, if you’ve lost your One Point, you’ve lost mind/body coordination.

You see petit, this is what’s occurred. I’ve disturbed you, taken your mind, your one point. I own you. How?

Your re-action.

Here’s an example: In Aikido, if I grab your wrist and your mind goes and is stuck to your wrist, fighting and struggling, you’ve lost your one point. I own you. I own your mind. Your mind is stuck in your wrist. Struggle as you will, just as with Aikido, you’re stuck.

When will you quit giving me all your energy/power/whatever??

Same thing here with all the de-fense. Doesn’t matter what is said or posted. Get it? I already own you. Same thing last week with our Skype discussion. First response, attack or react. Simple. “I owned you from the start….”

Your little tricks and manipulations and posts don’t work anymore. Again, just as in Aikido, if someone is physically stronger, they may win out until someone latches on to them who really knows what they’re doing. Unfortunately, too many folks know you aren’t worth spit.

Thank you though for your messages (to others). You’ve called two others out “on to the matt”. One, another resident douche bag, has been in question for years now. No worries, just a demonstration that he still hasn’t taken the First Step.

Another one, I’ll admit, I really didn’t expect it. More re-action. <sigh> Oh, the self-proclaimed naguals!

Here’s the issue and what you should really be paying attention to: I’m really not doing anything. Just as when someone holds your wrist. Your mind, only your mind, is holding you back. I’m just holding your wrist. Yet you’re letting me control your mind. When will you let your mind go and just move? Why are you letting me control your mind??

Now, I know you’re not a Nagual and you know you’re not a Nagual. That’s cool. No admission needed. Can you just move past this, is the question.

How can my petty words here (and there and everywhere) hold you back? Yet obviously they do. More continued fighting.

I know you Need to be the Star. Attention, in whatever form, is needed. If not, you’d just run along quietly. Oh no, there’s got to be some dramatic post. Some explanation needed to justify the actions.

As with Aikidoka or Naguals or Warriors or whatever the cool name is of the day, it’s all the same. Get over yourself. Quit fighting ‘others’. There is no ‘other’. There’s only the self. (What ‘the self’ is you’ll have to figure out on your own of course).

Are you ready for me to quit owning you?

What are you going to do?

Kris

P.S. Yes, I'm posting this in the evening to monitor your re-action. I still own you. Are you going to let me own your evening as well?

We'll see.

P.S.S. It may seem like I'm talking to myself here. Fear not, as I explained above, I own TPN. She will read this within half an hour of posting. Not to mention all the gossip about me she spreads in private. Well, it's not really private, but close enough.

[Affinity]

The only way this wouldn't be the Pot Calling The Kettle Black, is if you'd simply stopped the cycle.

[Zamurito]

The only way this wouldn't be the Pot Calling The Kettle Black, is if you'd simply stopped the cycle.

Call it whatever you'd like.

Kris

[datura]

Oh well look at this shit. Here he is again. You said the same shit to me at restless soma, when you had a bug up your ass.

So you go to Michael's place, talk shit to him, then you're over here going on about 'her.' I will leave off name just out of respect. There is no sense in contributing to this nonsense.

However, I wonder why years later you are still so affected. So what the fuck if someone calls them selves a nagual, whats it to you? Why does it bother you so much?

A nagual, to me, is someone who has conquered their self-importance, who can control their folly, who has a double, and who is powerful beyond measure. Very few of them exist. I dont believe that 'everyone is a nagual.' I believe we all have a 'nagual side' as we alll have a tonal side, but that is very different from being a nagual.

HOWEVER, because we all do have a nagual side, if someone calls themselves a nagual what is the big deal with that? I am the type of person who doesnt really care all that much about certain labels. There are some labels which are well earned and cannot be used, like the Dalai Lama. There can only be one per lifetime. Not many can get away with claiming to be a dalai lama, and if someone other than the present dalai lama called themselves that, we may lock them up!

But what is the point in discussing this, how and why did this topic deviate into just bashing another person who calls themselves a nagual? When the fuck are you people going to get over this shit? I mean really, how much longer will this go on? Have you ever heard let the dead bury the dead?

~

In Aikido, if you’ve lost your One Point, you’ve lost mind/body coordination.

You see petit, this is what’s occurred. I’ve disturbed you, taken your mind, your one point. I own you. How?

Your re-action.

Here’s an example: In Aikido, if I grab your wrist and your mind goes and is stuck to your wrist, fighting and struggling, you’ve lost your one point. I own you. I own your mind. Your mind is stuck in your wrist. Struggle as you will, just as with Aikido, you’re stuck.

When will you quit giving me all your energy/power/whatever??

Same thing here with all the de-fense. Doesn’t matter what is said or posted. Get it? I already own you. Same thing last week with our Skype discussion. First response, attack or react. Simple. “I owned you from the start….”

Your little tricks and manipulations and posts don’t work anymore. Again, just as in Aikido, if someone is physically stronger, they may win out until someone latches on to them who really knows what they’re doing. Unfortunately, too many folks know you aren’t worth spit.

Thank you though for your messages (to others). You’ve called two others out “on to the matt”. One, another resident douche bag, has been in question for years now. No worries, just a demonstration that he still hasn’t taken the First Step.

Another one, I’ll admit, I really didn’t expect it. More re-action. <sigh> Oh, the self-proclaimed naguals!

Here’s the issue and what you should really be paying attention to: I’m really not doing anything. Just as when someone holds your wrist. Your mind, only your mind, is holding you back. I’m just holding your wrist. Yet you’re letting me control your mind. When will you let your mind go and just move? Why are you letting me control your mind??

Now, I know you’re not a Nagual and you know you’re not a Nagual. That’s cool. No admission needed. Can you just move past this, is the question.

How can my petty words here (and there and everywhere) hold you back? Yet obviously they do. More continued fighting.

I know you Need to be the Star. Attention, in whatever form, is needed. If not, you’d just run along quietly. Oh no, there’s got to be some dramatic post. Some explanation needed to justify the actions.

As with Aikidoka or Naguals or Warriors or whatever the cool name is of the day, it’s all the same. Get over yourself. Quit fighting ‘others’. There is no ‘other’. There’s only the self. (What ‘the self’ is you’ll have to figure out on your own of course).

Are you ready for me to quit owning you?

What are you going to do?

Kris

P.S. Yes, I'm posting this in the evening to monitor your re-action. I still own you. Are you going to let me own your evening as well?

We'll see.

P.S.S. It may seem like I'm talking to myself here. Fear not, as I explained above, I own TPN. She will read this within half an hour of posting. Not to mention all the gossip about me she spreads in private. Well, it's not really private, but close enough.

[Zamurito]

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So you go to Michael's place, talk shit to him...

I have not talked shit to Michael. Read a bit closer and find me where I've talked shit to him.

There is no sense in contributing to this nonsense.

Yet you do.

I already warned you. You didn't listen.

Now, I own you just as I do TPN.

Welcome.

kris

[datura]

You dont own shit Kris. You dont even own that flabby body of yours which will one day be a corpse. Get it through your thick, sad skull. YOU DONT EVEN OWN YOUR LIFE. So how in the fuck could you own me? You are too easy to stick on a leash. All rabid dogs can be dealt with with a leash and a taser gun. You know it? No Kris. If you're over here, still bitching about her after all these years, who owns who in this regard? Why are you so affected? And when the hell can you just brush this shit into the grave and bury it? It is so old.

I think you get off on just bashing people, like you have to have someone in your life, to kick around. You're not being any better than someone carrying a sock puppet. You're just being a sad internet bully is all you are, with all your insults. I thought you might be better than that but you know what slappy? You always have a way of proving me wrong when you get STOOPID. Why are you so stoopid Kris, why? Cant you just get the D-stick out of your ass and get over her?

[datura]

Im about to hit

[datura]

post 666

Ew Kris watch out, mark o' the beast

[datura]

Anyway folks, I am seriously in awe. I came by and seriously did not expect to see her being bashed over here again. Gdog, you havent been doing it, its mainly been Kris, however, it is still your forum. And I know you're all for free speech and shit like that, but still, the woman was your friend at one time. And do you think devoting threads to her does any form of justice here? So say she had a sock puppet, so what? So she threatened to kick Kris's ass. So did I, and I will kick his ass if he crosses the nice line Ive drawn in the sand. How sad we have to take it to the astral to box, Id rather not but if he goes to fucking far, we shall do it, itll be cat against rabid little doggie. *RAWR*

Ive also learned over time, bully wise, you should just be careful with what you deal with. You dont know who is the shit and who is not. I have done my time with my battling, still can be good at it if I want to, but Ive really grown weary of it over the years. But im going to come out of retirement to deal with this for a bit. Because I find it all very disturbing.

So what if she reads here Kris. Does it make you feel better calling her TPN and bashing her at every turn? What does it do for you, releve some form of wounding you've got going on? How were you burned so badly? And do you always treat people this way after you know them? Why the need to be such a shit, acting like you're some high schooler pissed off cause he shat his pants in class and stunk up the room?

[Zamurito]

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<<chuckles>>

Spin, baby, spin...

[datura]

Oh you little sorry ass you wish you could get me to spin. You're lucky I still like you Kris