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Zamurito wrote:~
Who gives a rats ass who anyone is?
The question is: What have they taught you about yourself??
DonnaZamurito wrote:~
Sorry sorry, love me love me......seems you two are just complaining. Someone snuck a fast one in on you, some time and place in your life and you're pissed.
I was truly pissed at first. Now I am not unconcerned, but a little disgusted. So What? Disgusted because I expected more from them...So What? I find it icky and repulsive Expectations kill...I indulged in expectation...so sue me I expect more from people on this path.My perception, of course.
Honesty?
Who's honesty? Yours? Mine? Based on our personal history, morals, values and beliefs? Does the Universe/Spirit have a 'all-knowing' guide for who/what's honest and who/what's not? If so, please detail it out for me.
My honesty. I have tried the sock puppet deal, it made me feel like a liar, and drained my energy, I choose not to deal with dishonesty as I find it energetically draining.
My experience, my judgement, my choice.
While you're chewing your cud of honestly, I'll roll with you...
Let's say the sock puppets are dishonest.
Once again, what has that shown you about yourself? What have you learned? I have learned I choose not to deal with dishonesty. If I found that you or Gonzo or anyone else were dishonest just because you could be...I would not deal with you either. I have done it with others. I get to keep my own values.
Leave 'all these others' alone. What happened to that notion of being unconcerned? Sorry, I never signed up to be a DJM or Nagual clone… It's a cool word when it's convenient, and out the window when it's needed? Its much harder to be honest when no one knows or can find out the truth…truth=trust without trust we learn nothing, except how to mistrust Or, are we going to save the world from all the dishonest ones?? The world has its own problems that I cannot solve nor do I have the intent to change it)
Arewe going to just associate with honest people? Again, by who's definition are we using?
As much as humanly possible...and again, MY definition, you are welcome to use whatever definition you choose to use. I will use mine. yes imo honesty=impeccability.
How about we just do the best we can and go from there? If you get screwed, you get screwed. Oh well. True, but if we can avoid it why not?
Oh, and btw, isn't there a ton of opportunities with dishonest people and getting screwed? What happened to that concept? Similiar to don Genero's last comments to CC in The Eagle's Gift, about the jilted bride. Can't recall it very well, but it seems quite on topic. Screw CC and DJM and all the self proclaimed knowers of truth, my truth is the only one I am interested in if I want a bible I will go back to church. Freedom doesnt live in dogma imo.
Another point to ponder....is it really up to us what happens or who we encounter? What about the Spirit? What does that have to do with anything? We meet people and we move on...
Where's the line drawn between 'dishonesty' and 'not telling all of the story?' Deliberately misleading someone?
Deliberately misleading is dishonest...so what? I choose not to play..again it is a waste of my energy
So what??
Again, are there not lessons to be learned from someone who was deliberately dishonest with you? there are many there are also many lessons to be learned by disconnecting from them. I have lived dishonestly for too long…Im done, and I will not keep my mouth shut anymore when people are being dishonest. Its not healthy for anyone to hide in their weakness, nor is it impeccable to allow someone to hide in their weakness, especially when they profess they want something else.
Just curious...
Kris
P.S. - Oh and btw, how much are those glass houses you two live in? (Because I'm sure you're always honest (whatever your definition is) with everyone. Kris, at any given moment I am as honest as I can humanly be at any given time. Even when its hard. This convo reminds me of religion. Argh...... so what?
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